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Jul. 27th, 2013 @ 02:08 am Spike, Angel and the Order of Aurelius
Just thinking and I realized that - okay Angel was in Sunnydale, working with Buffy, while the Master, Darla his sire, and any other Order sycophants were there to see him. (No, duh!) I never really put that together with Angelus's love for screwing with the Master, and over a short blond female in fact. So, how much did Angel enjoy that part of his Sunnydale adventure - the chance to shoot a 'fuck you' to his old opponent? To rile Darla - embarrass her, make her jealous?

And how did he feel when Spike (and Dru) came to Sunnydale - because they were essentially a grenade aimed at the Order now that the Master was dead.
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From:rahirah
Date: July 27th, 2013 04:21 pm (UTC)
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Given that Angel was super reluctant to confront the Master in any way himself, I'm not sure he was enjoying himself. While he had a soul, he loathed and despised Darla, or at least he convinced himself he did, so I don't think he'd consciously want to make her jealous - that would imply he cared how she felt about him.
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From:spikesjojo
Date: July 28th, 2013 07:28 am (UTC)
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Do you think he was afraid? I knew he was reluctant to go into the midst of them because that would be suicide.

I guess I always thought of this from the human side and I am piecing it together from the FF side. Angel - always pissed at Darla leaving him for the Master - really can't stand the Master - is now souled and working against the Order in the same place where the Master is trapped. He has to enjoy the irony, at least.

Edited at 2013-07-28 07:34 am (UTC)
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From:rahirah
Date: July 28th, 2013 01:49 pm (UTC)
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Well, he says he's afraid to Buffy. And he was totally willing to send Buffy in alone to her death - it took Xander pushing him to get him to help out. The real problem, of course, is that at that point they were just making it up as they went along, and didn't know anything about the backstory they later created for the characters, so some of Angel's S1 characterization doesn't really fit with later events, and you have to make up some weird elaborate justification for it.

While Darla does seem to keep up a connection with the Master and to run errands for him over the years, I don't think Darla left Angel for the Master. She leaves him because he gets a soul, and and she can't bear what that turns him into. Then she ends up back with the Master, but I don't think she ever would have left Angel permanently if he hadn't been souled up. I mean, she even tried to give it a go with him with the soul, but him rescuing babies was the last straw. *g* I guess I see Darla as loving Angel a heck of a lot more than he loved her - there are plenty of vampires who can love without a soul, but Angel isn't one of them, and the two of them were caught in a sad Catch-22 where Angel couldn't love Darla without a soul, but once he got a soul, he couldn't love her because she didn't have one. Once she turned human, he moved mountains to save her, but then when she became a vampire again, he went back to loathing and despising her.
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From:velvetwhip
Date: July 27th, 2013 06:09 pm (UTC)
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Hmmm... *is thinky*


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From:spikesjojo
Date: July 28th, 2013 07:28 am (UTC)
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Any hmmmm....thoughts to share?
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From:kudagirl
Date: July 27th, 2013 11:31 pm (UTC)
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In The Harvest, Angel said he was afraid to go down where the Master was because they really didn't like him. She asked him why he didn't stop the Harvest and he said he was afraid.

In Angel, the Master and Darla are talking about Angel. The Master says, "He was the most vicious creature I ever met. I miss him." So seems the Master would like to have Angel back in the fold. Darla talks about getting him to kill Buffy so he could return to the family. After Angel kills Darla, the Master is angry. He yells, "But to lose her to Angel! He was to have sat at my right hand, come the day. And now..." So it seems that the Master had plans for Angel, but they didn't work out.

Angel told the Scoobies that,"He's worse. (Meaning Spike) Once he starts something he doesn't stop until everything in his path is dead. Angel told Buffy, "I did a lot of unconscionable things when I became a vampire. Drusilla was the worst. She was ... an obsession of mine. She was pure, and sweet, and chaste. First I made her insane. Killed everybody she loved. Visited every mental torture on her I could devise. She eventually fled to a convent, and on the day she took her holy orders, I turned her into a demon." Angel warned them about Spike, but in Lie To Me when he found Drusilla in the playground, he prevented her from killing a child. He tells her to leave town with Spike. Buffy sees Angel with Drusilla. When she questions him about what he did that night, he lies to her. He doesn't tell her about Dru. So he protects Dru, but warns the Scoobies about Spike.

That's all I got. Hope any of this helps you.



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From:spikesjojo
Date: July 28th, 2013 07:33 am (UTC)
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Exactly - those are all the quotes I am going from. That's what makes me think there is a part of him looking forward to watching Spike (and Dru)kick some Aurelius butt. If they were all in a wine cellar he might have locked the door, and the bet on Spike and Dru.

He's not dark!Angel and these are vamps, not humans - but I don't think he'd mind a little vicarious triumph.

Edited at 2013-07-28 07:35 am (UTC)